4227 reduced loads. With 50. They run 2350 - 2400 fps Speer used to list 4227 for their reduced loads in the #7 and #8 manuals. thanks 03-12-2018, 08:39 AM #2. You must Regarding cast bullet loads, 2400 and IMR-4227 were selected, with both giving respectable results. So, that means making some loads for it. YMMV However, there are two problems associated with it: case capacity and cylinder throat diameters. " Click to expand Find load data for Accurate 5744 propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". Select Measurement System. IMR TrailBoss . 8 Alliant BE-86 Federal Federal 205 12. Reduced Load . I do Other powders that I've tried are IMR-4227, 5744, IMR-4198, and Reloader #7. with a 150 gr. My first question is one you guys probably get tired to answering. 1 1127 13. Thinking of using the 4227 in an AR. For reduced loads I found 28 grains of IMR-4227 at 1,010fps and 15. Shotgun. 0 g of IMR 4227 in Winchester Brass For light loads, I have loaded some Universal Clays with lead bullets. I'll estimate this In the Lee Modern Reloading 2nd edition, it shows a 150 grain jacketed bullet loaded with IMR-4227. 36 gr. For testing and evaluation purposes, I used 125, 135, 175 and 220 grain Sierra MatchKings (left to right in photo below) over H110 and IMR 4227 powders. I'm not looking for a load that fast, just enough to wack a groundhog at 100-150yds. Think of it as fairly similar to 2400 and 4759, and a bit faster than 4198. 5 Creedmoor and 308 Winchester had similar points of impact (POI) to their full power counterparts, the Trail Boss loads all had a POI at 100 yards that was lower than the full power equivalent. Powders include Hodgdon, IMR Hey, I've been searching the site to no avail on any given load data. Low bulky density and superior ignition characteristics make 5744 an excellent choice for reduced loads in many rifle calibers and in large capacity black powder cartridges such as the 45-70 through 45-120 and 50-90 through 50-120. So I have gathered all the necessary tools and supplies and plan on reloading . bullet. GIADAWhat powder and measurement of powder is recommended in a smokeless and sabot lkess muzzleloader? 1 year ago. between. But then I keep reading people talking about there's just too much risk of I ran a light load of 4227 in a Swift for 150 yard hornet velocities. 45 gr. If it says Magnum, IMR 4227 is the choice for true magnum velocities and performance. 55 gr. In the . Another thought for lighter loads is using Trailboss whereas the powder fill is to just under the bullet base (don't compress!). 5 grains (what my Little Dandy measure throws with a #20 rotor) of IMR 4227 power behind a SAECO gas check bullet, cast of linotype, weight 80. If you keep Red Dot or 700-X around for loading skeet and trap loads for your 12-ga. 45-70 and similar are its strong suit. My accuracy results were amazing. The 600 has a 700 take-off barrel. 22 WMR 45: Sierra Hornet RN: IMR: IMR-4227: . The cast loads had the same POI only about 12 MOA lower than the Jacketed bullets. 210" COL, the program shows reducing a 4198 load by about 9% (multiply by 0. Detonation is considered See more Find load data for IMR 4227 propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". Minuteman. 375 RUM, . 23gr of H110 w/240gr bullet is about the minimum. For instance a full load in the 22-250 uses about 36 grains of regular powder so use 36/2 = 18 grains of 4759 and I suggest the 40 gr bullet. RJM52. More about this powder: IMR 4227 is a medium burn speed, magnum pistol propellant. It still cycled the action on my BAR, but not in a beater FAL. I have found HS-6, Universal, and W231 powders work very well for standard loads, while IMR 4227 bulks up nicely in 45 Colt brass. IMR 4198 & IMR 4227 are your friends I saw something scary today from someone using them. I use IMR 4227 and IMR 4759 with SS loads. H110 / win 296 will get you the velocity you want, but are somewhat limited to hot loads only. It is surprising in that it shows loads that you would never expect, such as in IMR 4831 in the . 22-250 Remington Reduced Load Data: Warning! Notes: Velocity figures are the average of five shots, and were taken 15 feet from the muzzle. It will yield around 2800 fps with light bullets in small calibers. 5x55. It starts with the . 22 Hornet (right) is a smokeless powder version of the . It is a place to teach, to learn, and to collaborate and interact. Swedish 6. Maximum case length: 1. 70 grains powder duplexed is such 3 grains of IMR 4227 under the reduced black powder charge of 61 grains. I don't always venture out into the sub-freezing darkness, but when I do, it is hunting season H110® 296 IMR 4227 N110 Buffalo Rifle D060 Accurate®5744 300-MP SOCOM H4198 IMR 4198 N120 Blackout D063 Accurate® 1680 680 Reloader 7 *Buffalo Rifle may be used to make reduced loads in virtually every caliber. 5 grains of Blue Dot gives 3,000 fps. 375 H&H, . 1910fps. The 8# tubs remain out of stock. Never Notes: A Freedom Arms Model 757 with a 6-inch barrel was used to test fire all loads. Also often recommended is slightly quicker burning 2400, These Loads are Maximum and powder charges should be reduced by 10 percent for starting loads. Powder: ALL. 5 to 9. 375 Ruger, . 44 Magnum loaded with H4227. pistol loads, Have used IMR 4227 in 22 Hornet and 218 Bee rifle loads When using IMR - 4227 , H-110 / W296 and HS-6 , I always , I mean always use a full magnum primer " CCI 350 " for large cases and " CCI 550 " for my 357 loads . of 4227 depending what velocity you want and how much recoil you are willing to put up with for range work. It will not produce top velocities in the 223. Because case capacity is large, trying to produce lighter loads with slow-burning powders can give very poor results. 765 inches maximum. 5gr. Groups at 100yds were less than 1/2". Althought IMR and H 4227 are listed right next to each other on the Hodgdon Burn Rate Chart. I'm using 130 grain Speer bullets and Ramshot Hunter. 5x55 reduced cast bullet loads. Sizing/type of the grain , hence since your dealing with a volume to weight issue (need a very dense powder like a spherical powder) when trying to get as much weight of powder into a give volume area of the stack in a 410 shell, the 4227 takes up more volume per weight charge then the 296/H110 instead. The older Lyman reloading manuals and maybe even the newer ones have load data using these powders and Reduced loads for S&W 500 mag I know this has been discussed on earlier threads, but I'm still interested in knowing people's experience. 5 & IMR-4227 17. The 4227 was very mild and is supposed to be 2000fps. 44 mag loads with no problems. (Rifle Issue #44 - March, 1976) Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. 3) Should I be using a safe very light load like Trailboss (controversial, I guess) For reduced loads, use only cast lead alloy bullets in accordance with the data recommended. I'm testing 3-4 IMR 4227 powder charges tomorrow with my Marlin 1894 (troubleshooting accuracy issues and pausing H110 recipes for a moment). That keeps the powder charge down around one grain. 45,500 CUP They only list Trailboss for reduced loads also, not for subsonics. Lapua SS 200 grain bullets. 50 gr. Hodgdon data only shows IMR4227 loads. Joined: Jun 2001 Years ago I worked up a load for my Ruger #3 Hornet with IMR 4227 and the Speer 55 gr. I'm going to load up some . 17's and goes up through the . 5" srh yesterday. Reduced Recoil 9. Rifles were also less than half the weight, which were much easier for military support personnel to carry on a daily basisfor defensive purposes, but still have greater effective range when compared to the Model 1911 45 When it comes to choosing powders for . I use it for mid-weights in 300BO. IMR 4227 is recommended for use in defensive and hunting hand-load recipes for the . At 10g I experienced one hang fire (pop then bang). They are 180gr coated and gas checked. 0 grains of IMR4227 for full magnum load level with the 125 grain Hornady XTP bullet. Something else you might want to try is the very slow surplus BMG and cannon powders. 22-250 reduced loads Yes I have, 52SMK's and Unique, which is recommended by the manufacturer for reduced rifle loads. I went back to an older Hodgdon Annual Manual that showed the . Source: Lee 2nd Edition. 218 Bee handloads, IMR-4227 has long been a popular choice, and H4227 works equally well. I find this reduced load in the 22-250 Remington fun to shoot because the rifle report is greatly reduced making it easier on your ears and the felt recoil is appears virtually eliminated. *Guidelines for reduced loads are currently being generated. short jacket shot from 75 yards. 4227 is a . I’d like to propel them with IMR 4227. 395 inches; overall cartridge length: 1. Brooks 325 gr. 222 Rem. 296 doesn’t like to be underloaded, so don’t go there. I load much more pistol than I do rifle and have used the IMR 4227 for . They did mention that Alliant 5744 was a good propellant in this cartridge and its a good reduced load powder. I just haven't seen what I needed to think on. Silver $$ Contributor. 0 grains of HS-6 at 928fps both with WLP’s and 440 grain cast bullets to be accurate. IMR published data for 4227 in 223 in the past. The data and opinions contained in these posts IMR 4227 is a medium burn speed, magnum pistol propellant. soft point. Howdy, I have a Steyr M95M I’d like to get load some cast bullets for. LIGHTER LOADS - FOR USE IN 1873 TRAP DOOR SPRINGFIELDS DO NOT USE HEAVIER LOADS LISTED ABOVE 300 to 350: Hodgdon H 4198: 34. There are several philosophies on reduced loads in the . That situation is reported to sometimes result in a phenomenon known as “detonation,” which can lead to at least destruction of the firearm — or worse. I have also used 4227 with some 42 and 55 gr sintered copper bullets which ran well as reduced velocity loads through AR carbines and a 7. 30 gr. 2, 17. 0 1209 24. If you are looking to build a moderately reduced load for the 300 WSM, you can not go wrong with H4895. This would put me in the 1400-1700 fps range, give or take. 45 Colt (255g SWC), CCI primers, 20g IMR 4227, the standard primer ES was 139fps (30 shots), while the Magnum primer load produced 69fps (29 shots). 45 Colt. 2 . Larry Gibson 10-23-2015, 03:44 PM #3. Like H110/W296 and Accurate No. load was 4227 w/53 gr bt. Accurate 2460. Don’t know about Lil’Gun, Either (IMR or H) 4198 is also good for lighter loads; I usually use this with a heavier bullet than the 110 gr. 6, 17. 60 gr. If you can't get that powder and the 470 MBogo will let you seat the bullet so it will jam in the rifling then I think something like 4227 will get you into the 150 to 1800 range with . I have new pedersoli rolling block 4570. 308 with IMR 4227 per an old Speer manual, not aware that it was classified as a "reduced" load. Only 5 rounds experimented with so it was inconclusive to me if the powder was position sensitive. I ran a light load of 4227 in a Swift for 150 yard hornet velocities. Bullet Weight: ALL. The only time I have done something disasterous was using Unique for reduced loads in . 6½ Small Rifle primer was developed Hodgdon's online load data shows IMR 4227 for all 4227 loads in the . Accurate 2230. Thanks to Elvis Ammo for helping me get to the proper load configuration to make this great subsonic Best gurus, I seek your thoughts. Muzzleloader Standard Subsonic Reduced Recoil. It is not a classic varmint bullet, but it will do . I understand the allure of limiting the inventory of powders, but there are limits. 44 Magnums, this load clocks out at about 1,067 fps with 7/8″ groups. of IMR 4198 with a 150 gr. For reduced-charge loads, 50-70 grains of powder is recommended for . These old guides lists loads for ALL IMR powders with jacketed bullets for most cartridges. Rifles were also less than half the weight, which were much easier for military support personnel to carry on a daily basisfor defensive purposes, but still have greater effective range when compared to the Model 1911 45 . The 4198 load was a little stouter and is supposed to be 2300fps. 8) with the XTP's, the first shot would chrony 50 or so FPS faster than the next 3 shots, every time. bullet for 2590 fps. 400 inches; trim-to length: 1. 40 grain V-Max with 13. 4895 works, but for me 4227 gives a little better accuracy. The case manufacturer, Nosler or Jagemann (JAG), is listed on the Reloading press. Help! - reduced 410 loads. Improved Military Rifle IMR 8208 XBR Due to its small capacity, the . View I t seems to me that there is a possibility of Funny things happening with 4227 in large cases, be it with higher pressure loads or 'reduced' loads. The rule applies safely and will give you very light safe loads for all of them. 0 gr of IMR 4227 was almost as good. 40 gr. wkndwarrior. but it appears more common powders like IMR 4227, 4831, 4350, and 4198 can safely get you in the reduced columns using 150 gr jacketed bullets without losing effectiveness. 458,s. Powders include IMR IMR 4227 Winchester CCI 400 25. Accurate, Lyman and Shooter's World all publish 400~500 grain loads. in . Lovex D060 . 4 grains was sub MOA 4227, RL-7, 2400, and 4759 all work well for reduced loads in medium capacity bottlenecked cartridges. reduced 30-30 loads? Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > I use about 8. Since Shooting Times has no control over your choice of components, guns, or actual loadings, neither Shooting Times nor the various firearms and components manufacturers assume any responsibility for the use of this data. Expand All. barm #15266056 09/28/20. 9. What to do when there is conflicting load info between manuals and manufacturers? I will take the 180 grain for discussion. Accurate 2015. The bullet was seated to contact the lands. I have a Browning 1886 Winchester clone in which I shoot Remington 300 gr bulk bullets. In rifles, this 30 grains of IMR-4227 and a Hornady 100-grain. 9 1/2; Compares to . Known for its ability to deliver heavy subsonic bullets for standard AR magazines while cycling the action in suppressed applications, it also works well with lighter supersonic loads, offering a similar external ballistic performance to the 7. 62x39. I have plenty of that on hand. 9, it does not tolerate reduced loads or fools well. John Boy. Top. For a reduced load, I loaded Speer 235gr bullets over 35 grains of H4227. Start with about 15 grains in a 308 case and a 220 grain bullet. 45 Colt brass cartridge cases. 5" barrel . 30-06 Springfield persists. 4, 17. 45 Colt data it lists a 250 grain bullet, Lyman #454190, with IMR 4227 powder, starting with 19 grains at 846 fps going up to 23 grains at 1063 fps. Magnum pistol powder. I think that would be a decent short-range (150 yards or less) deer load. I loaded 14grs. The 30 Carbine (left) was notably smaller than the 30-06 (right). IMR 4955 Enduron . 0 among others. IMR 8208 XBR . Remington offers 45-grain softnose and hollowpoint bullets at 2690 fps. My 17. The fastest powder I would consider in the 45-70 is IMR-4227. I also load 4227 with the Speer and Sierra. Because the . Example; Take the 45-70 case. 0 2600 fps You could reduce any of those by up to 40% without worry. My first I got better accuracy with reduced loads using 4227 compared to 4895. 4227 and 4198 are good preformers and . The loads that Pioneer listed look very interesting. While I like 2400 and IMR-4227, H110/296 is my go-to powder for full power . For 4227, 25 grs. 223 with that bullet shape and weight seated to 2. 600" COAL 22. This is a very slow burning powder. for 2900 fps. I get great results with a duplex load of 5% IMR 4227 and a compressed load of WC872 or 860 in the 45 For slower burn rate propellants like IMR 4227, H110, W296, and Lil' Gun, the start charge in both sources is only 5 percent less than the max recommend load. ⅜ in the other. Pro's and Con's from a casting and reloaders perspective. It loads a 125-grain SST bullet in the Custom Lite line with a nominal muzzle velocity of 2,700 fps for reduced recoil. Use the 50% formula with IMR's SR 4759. 0 grain loads of IMR 4227 with the old 160 grain Ideal 321317 RNGC bullet averaged 1543 fps & went The 22-250 case is larger-so be careful with pressures. Editor-in-Chief Joel Hutchcroft asked me to duplicate the . Thanks- steve 7mm-08 Remington (Hodgdon Data Using IMR Powder) reloading data with 208 loads. Process is simple, start as low as 60% of a max load and go up in 1gr increments or so to find what your rifle likes. Using bullets from Nosler Ballistic Tip, Sierra Hornet RN, Sierra Spitzer, Hornady. 1-10 is good for round noise 220 grain bullets, but they will keyhole with a 1-12 twist. Thanks to Elvis Ammo for helping me get to the proper load configuration to make this great subsonic My pet load for the 32-40 is just over half as much as your 300 Savage while proportionally my 4227 load is more like 2/3 as much. I would do the Blue Dot for your application. 44 Magnum. Very accurate and 223 reduced loads with Unique; Please note that if you are using a high risk VPN to register, your profile may be placed in a banned status. I use WC820, it is like H110 and entirely safe to use in reduced loads in rifles. 44 Mag jacketed bullet loads (240 gr JHP) in my Marlin 1894. IMR 4227 is a medium burn speed, magnum pistol propellant. Buffalo Bore/Starline cases used throughout. A couple years ago a shooter using reduced loads of 4227 blew his . 460 S&W Magnum (Speer Handgun Data Reloading Manual #14) reloading data with 52 loads. 0-37. All the old Lyman manuals plus the current one lists a plethora of loads for 4227. In rifles, this powder delivers excellent velocity and accuracy in such cartridges as the 22 Hornet and 221 Fireball. Using bullets from Speer Colt GDHP or 260 JHP, Speer SAA, Speer UCSP. The 4227 works well for me in a M1 Carbine Thanks in advance for the info. 5 grains of #4227. Accurate 2200. If a pistol says Magnum, IMR 4227 is the choice for true 4227 appears to provide excellent accuracy (for proper loads) but not the highest fps. IMR 4227 (blue label, new) 357 magnum load data; Please note that if you are using a high risk VPN to register, your profile may be placed in a banned status. With a dense powder like 4227, a reduced load will lie in the bottom of the case, and the flash goes right over the top of it, bypassing the powder. 4227 may not be immune to that. These powders cannot be reduced much. should have it, too. I very much appreciate the time spent on your replies and intend to put the information to use. 5 1142 27. Function and FPS depends on your particular rifle. Looks like the new IMR4227 is When I started shooting the 4227 loads (17. 0 Vihtavuori N110 Winchester CCI 400 20. By Edward Hammond 9. Temperatures varied between 50 and 90 degrees F. These are maximum loads, BTW. Not being able to use it in reduced loads is irrelevant for me because I'll use Power Pistol or 231 for my reduced loads. gundownunder Senior Levergunner I didn't include MY loads, cause I've only shot GOEX, and similar (black I did a quick look at Hodgdon's data for IMR 4198 and 4227 in loads for the . Any problems in reduced loads? Or any other tips/warnings about 4227 for 30-30 and . They both shoot really good but can be hard on the shoulder. Reactions: LRnAZ. 22 Hornet case was eventually beefed-up a bit to strengthen it, and due to the reduction in capacity, some of the early load data is excessive for today’s cases. I'm hoping instead that someone can advise me on a starting load w/#9 shot and Unique or 4227? Handloader's April '05 shows: - 45 Colt 9 grs Unique (45 shell w/ #12 load - g c over & under) Speer with their plastic shot capsules: - 45 Colt 7. In my experience, reduced loads are safe with powders from about 2400 on the fast side to 4320 on the slow side. Available in 1lb. In order #63 - Lil' Gun, H110, WW296, IMR 4227, H4227. The Sierra data I have lists H4227 (NOT IMR 4227) loads. with the Sierra 55gr "blitz" bullet. The 180 gr Speer RN with 45 gr Big Game went into 1 1/2" at 110 yards from a stump as a rest and the 150 gr Speer Spitzer with 40 gr IMR 3031 went into right around 1". 40 grain bullets shooting into ¼ inch in one barrel. The mild, reduced load. But I found a lot of data in two older IMR Handloader's guides that I dug out of my collection of reloading books. I would like the loads to be a little hotter for ground hog's, but those loads would work nicely for smaller varmint's. Using some Cast Lee 309-230 Powder Coated Rounds, sized to . Rem Ptd. Where IMR 4227 excels for me in the 7. These are not the powders to use for reduced-velocity loads. 280. The same is true if you keep 4198 around for your . 309. 0g and you'll be getting 1600-1700fps, this for the Maximum load with IMR 4227 is suppose to be 39. 750 to 1. The first IMR reloading powders included ever popular favorites IMR3031 (1934), IMR4064 (1935) and IMR4350 (1940). as well since ammunition produced using Trail Boss powder reduces pressure by almost half when compared to traditional loads. I found it necessary to use a semi-bulk filler to stabilize pressure (call that getting When I tested back to back 4227 loads in . 22 WMR for this report, and 8. 065”. I use reduced Blue Dot loads in a . Loading 300 Blackout - ep 11 - More subsonic tests with Accurate 1680, IMR-4227, and Lil' Gun The . For 150 grain bullets: They have reduced load data for 300 Savage: 180gr. Mar 14, 2009 545 0 41 Rhodes, MI. 22-250, for around 3600 fps. And, of course there is a ton of cast bullet data in Lee #2. 4227 is a If you google 4227 and the cartridge you want to shoot reduced loads in you will probably find some data but as I already said there are many newer powders better suited for reduced loads and some are particularly designed for that. I've used them all at one time or another for reduced velocity cast bullet loads, but 4759 is my all time favorite. Stay away from "fillers" as they can cause barrel damage. 45 Colt (255g SWC), CCI primers, 20g IMR 4227, the standard primer ES was 139fps (30 shots), while the Magnum primer load Many magnum powders (4227 included) don't perform as well with reduced power charges so if you tried the same tests with a grain more powder, you would probably see 243 Outdoors - Testing some IMR 4227 out in the 300 Blackout today. Hornady advertises its 35-grain load at 3100 fps, but I find it to be even faster in some rifles. 0 2310 fps IMR 4198 38. 4895 is very good but getting hard to source now. I guess I will NOT be shooting any of these 4227 loads in my Colt SAA or even USFA/Uberti! Reactions: sublimert70. 62x39 is with 123-125 gr SP or FMJ bullets. Log in or Sign IMR 4227 . SPCL bullet. That thread can be found here: Anyone have data/starting loads for . bullets in my 416 Rigby for about 2000 fps and great accuracy. Either (IMR or H) 4198 is also good for lighter loads; I usually use this with a heavier bullet than the 110 gr. Magnum pistol primers. 243 Outdoors - Testing some IMR 4227 out in the 300 Blackout today. 375 Loading Data from Nyati Inc. My goal is to keep MVs around or below 1100 fps. How wide of latitude in pressure powders work determines their status in my supply. 223 Remington. 5grs Bullseye With reduced loads it takes up more space in the case than other powders, so the primer flash will impact more powder, and gives better ignition. I load 15. I use 4227 for several different cartridges including 45-70 and 7. I don't know how significant that is, but there you go! I know my 32-40 load when fired breech seated is sufficiently low in pressure to leave a bit of unburned powder in the bore. 6 Hodgdon CFE Pistol Federal Federal 205 11. with 34. Lovex D037. Using bullets from Speer Colt GDHP or JHP, Speer UCSP, Speer Casull GDHP. August 16, 2009, 06:52 PM One of my favorite “slightly reduced” IMR4895 loads is the 35. 235" Min Blue dot with 35 gr v max works well for reduced loads. 63 gr . 41 Remington Magnum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #9 Lyman gives starting loads of: 2400 12. (I got a lot of SR4756 I could use up too) If you google 4227 and the cartridge you want to shoot reduced loads in you will probably find some data but as I already said there are many newer powders better suited for Speer used to list 4227 for their reduced loads in the #7 and #8 manuals. Whether or not I use cast bullets, I do plan on working up a reduced load anyway for the 6. with Select the "Get Load Data" button to view results. It will come up Imr 4227 Made by Dupont orginaly Was then Made by a Company In Canada and called IMR 4227 and Says Made Canada on the label IMR 4227 Made Canada is discontinued H 4227 is now IMR 4227 and is made in / By Australian Munitions So if it says Australia it is H 4227 and use H Data -----> and work up your loads I picked up a target grey 7. My interest in 5744 is reduced plinking loads in my '06. I have four or five pounds of it and use it now and again. Filter By Filter By Powder. Popular Calibers. When loading lighter-weight cast bullets and faster burn rate powders like Universal, HP-38, W231, and others, the recommended max charges can be safely reduced by up to 20 percent. 5 IMR 4227 IMR 4198 Hodgdon H4198: 40. By Cartridge Load Data Results Legend of Abbreviations. The 600 has a 9 twist and the 55s and 60s were The 2001 IMR Handloaders Guide for Smokeless Powders pages 47-51 lists a lot of reduced rifle caliber loads for IMR 4227 and 4198. IMR 4831 . 223. Usually 20 to 23 grains worked best for me with some kind of filler. Last year I needed a reduced velocity-reduced noise load for my . 2 grains of IMR 4227 behind the Speer 40-grain Spirepoint got close enough, with an average velocity of 2,016 fps. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4895. I have shot 22 grs of 4227 using a 255 gr cast bullet , but found I liked 8. All shot well The author fired reduced loads into a swimming pool and recovered the bullets intact. 270 Win and need a reduced load for my younger son(11 years). Jan 14, 2023 #25 The largest load database for reloaders on the web: Over 1 Mio. But we know that it works. 2: 1800 1600 1600: 450 to 500: IMR 4198 Hodgdon Regarding cast bullet loads, 2400 and IMR-4227 were selected, with both giving respectable results. 0 to 20. 06 from Hodgdons website. 5grs Unique or 5. Email: Pro's and Con's from a casting and reloaders perspective. Pistol. Ensure your twist is right. 5 gr IMR 4227 in the same cases and primers. Large Pistol primers used for reduced loads; all others used Large Pistol Magnum. I do not find it dirty. Thanks to Elvis Ammo for helping me get to the proper load configuration to make this great subsonic The Sierra data I have lists H4227 (NOT IMR 4227) loads. 357 Magnum is actually the same caliber as the popular . Ed Hammond shares Reduced Recoil African Medium Bore Loading Data from Nyati Inc. Gave up on 4227 and switched to reddot for reduced loads. 50-caliber muzzleloaders, The recommended powder for the Savage ML II is IMR 4227. It occupies more powder space in typical charges than common "reduced My loads out of the full-sized AK with 16in barrel had to be reduced slightly. Access published manufacturer loading data for . usable unusable 3 I have been playing with reduced loads and they are fun, i only shoot them at 54m and like a little more snap at a 100m, at least 2000fps. 62x39mm Russian Very versatile powder- full strength loads in small cases and reduced cast loads in big ones. 2 39. 5grs of Unique in my 170gr cast loads. Making reduced loads is not as simple as just using a smaller quantity of the same powder used in making full-power loads. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4320. 5-11gn of 4227 to stay subsonic. I plan to buy cast bullets to try first, then buy a mold and cast my own. Try a reduced load of fast rifle powder like Reloader 7 or 3031. winchester warns not to reduce 296 loads more than Velocity was never a really high priority for me for the most part. 0 grains for starting loads in other rifles. 45 Colt loads. Don't have the specs in front of me right now, but I got it from Lee's "Modern Reloading 1st Ed. The AA5744 is also a lot more popular and available. 9 of I-4895 with a 140gr at 2800fps. 475 Linebaugh - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #5. 7 Arisaka, ’06, Argentine, where I had great success with 4759 at about 20 grains. I think a few blokes on this forum use it in the 416 Rigby. 308 Winchester and IMR4227? Possible boolits are 180gr sp gc, 170gr fp gc, and 150gr rn pb. But it stays very, very accurate at reduced levels in my experience using it in several . 0 2723 2716 MAXIMUM CHARGE Muzzle Velocity (feet/sec) 8mm Mauser (8x57mm) START CHARGE 2640 2632 2632 WARNING: Improper handloading practices can result in serious personal injury and/or property damage. When I was a novice reloader, I remember loading up some . Unique, 2400, and IMR 4227 are some powders I For a really reduced plinking load to shoot in your . I did find data for it in 222 and worked from there. Jacketed bullets. Using bullets from Speer HP, Nosler BT, Sierra HPBT, Hornady SP, Swift SP, Speer SP, Barnes TTSX BT, Speer SPBT, Hornady A-Max, Noser Part, Nosler Part. Never heard about IMR 4227 though. E If you're still looking for a IMR 4227 load for . None of the current bullet and powder manufacturer reloading manuals show 4227 for the 223 Win. 309 by Lee push thru Winchester Large Rifle primers 21. Both rifles are Remingtons; a 700 and 600. It is very easy to double charge with Unique or any other pistol powder in a large capacity case like the 45-70. 45 ACP or . I'd love to see some load data on that. Register; Log On; Latest; ballistic pressure will be slightly reduced and velocity will also slightly increase. After all, it doesn’t take Ed Hammond shares Reduced Recoil African Medium Bore Loading Data from Nyati Inc. 1 . 475 Linebaugh (Hodgdon Pistol Data) reloading data with 36 loads. With IMR 4198, it's 49 grs. I load them over 22. I have a small stash of this load, and it shows varmint-capable accuracy in my rifles. 222 for bullets from 45 to 63 grains with H4895. I use Red Dot, Titegroup, 800-X and Unique in my low recoil 91/30 loads with the Lee C312-185-1R beagled up to . Very accurate and The Reloaders Network focuses on firearms, shooting sports, reloading, bullet casting, and the related gear and accessories. Be thoroughly Thanks for the replies. velocities respectively ranged from 1040 to near 1200 FPS as the charge climbed. Alliant 2400 is a much better powder than 4227 for reduced loads in the 45/70. Collapse All. 5, 4064. Froggie 243 Outdoors - Testing some IMR 4227 out in the 300 Blackout today. It is a very quiet round to shoot GH's with, out to 150 yards. But studies have been done which prove bullets of greater sectional density All powder charges shown are maximum in the test rifles and should be reduced by 2. My shoulder after 25rds wasn't in good shape. AA #2, or Alliant Unique. IMR 4227 and H4227 rank among the best at delivering low velocity spreads for the . I don't want to just say what do I need to do. I have been using IMR 4227 since the 60's in handguns and a K-Hornet rifle with full loads and nary . Full Member. 0 g of IMR 4227 in Lake City Brass 22. Refer to the current SPEER® Reloading Manual for handloading instructions. For even less recoil, a reduced 4227 load is what I'd try with an 80 gr. 43 gr. I have been playing with some reduced loads in . 91)) gives you roughly the same peak pressure. Unlike the reduced power H4895 loads, which in both the 6. IMR 4198 & IMR 4227 are your friends. I never chrono'ed the load, but they shot well and hit the same point of impact (at 100 yards) as my 300gr loads. All this at 2700-3000 fps using Steel The 50s aren't nearly as good in the 1-12 twist barrel. 5 gr IMR 4227 under the Lee C312-155-2R In Winchester or IMI cases with WLR primers. Case volume is not a problem because both 2400 and Unique are double based high nitro content powders with no need for fillers. Rifle. A starting load of 23. 458" 145 gr Collar button bullet Lyman mould . It is very fast burning, and ignites well in reduced loads. While working up a load for my 19. That was back in 1966, yet the ancient . 7 1074 13. 44 Mag, I'd recommend using . 10. I've used 18. The gun is a real Winchester 1892, once re-barreled by the factory many decades ago. 44. 44 Carbine does not cycle reliably at reduced loads. Just curious what others have experienced. 44 mag loads, hands down. By comparison it is showing both IMR 4227 and H 4227 producing higher pressures than QuickLOAD predicts by a significant margin, while their listed IMR 4198 loads are matched quite well by QuickLOAD's predictions. . 450 Bushmaster - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #1 Hodgdon's online load data shows IMR 4227 for all 4227 loads in the . Improved Military Rifle IMR 8208 XBR When I tested back to back 4227 loads in . Gary I use IMR 4227 for top-end loadings in the 44 and 41 Rem Mag cartridges with excellent results. By reduced, I mean in the 1100-1400fps range. Having used pretty much all of the common reduced load powders for my subsonic load development, the Using IMR-4895 and Mule Deers' advice I formulated some reduced loads for my . 454 Casull - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #11 No loads for IMR 4227 at all. Remington M-700 ADL, 24-inch barrel, was used. However, I prefer to use H4895 with that bullet. 35 gr. SP 2. 5gr of IMR4227, 140gr Nosler partition 3. But I picked up 4227 to fill the gap from the lack of 2400, now I have some 2400 and still using the 4227. 450 Bushmaster - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #1 I can verify that my . Trailboss is unavailable but I scored 2 lbs of A5744 yesterday. Remington 6 1/2 primers were used in W-W and Super-X cases. View Profile Hodgdon, says load data for IMR 4227 and H4227 are interchangeable, but as it goes with different manufacturing lots of any powder, maximum loads may or may not be the same. 45-70, or the . An old Sierra manual showed a load of 46. Jun 10, 2012 #2 Jun 10, 2012 #2 Re: 22-250 reduced loads . I have used 4227 in 357 mag loads not too much in the 44 but it is good stuff,not aot of the usual pressure signs,soft shooting,the velocities that you get will be a tad slower but on the other hand you can achieve a great degree of accuracy with it it is one of the more forgiving powders just make sure you have the Imr brand because hodgdon had a 4227 powder in their Ed Hammond shares Reduced Recoil African Medium Bore Loading Data from Nyati Inc. 0 1778 27. 30-06. Trusty Lyman 45th edition says to load 20gr for a 168gr cast bullet. 5” pistol. 600 bullets, 220 propellants and 250 calibers. 5: 300 to 350: Dupont IMR 4198: 34. 4227 doesn’t seem to be as sensitive to underloading as 296/110. It can be I'm doing some experiments and I'm seeing a lot of recipes for reduced loads, for example 14 grains of benchmark for a subsonic 30. With but one exception (max load for 330gr BTB was reduced slightly) the data is idendtical (load weight, velicity, cup all match up exactly). 222 Remington. When I was a novice reloader, I remember loading up some A few days ago I started a thread about using IMR-4227 for 357 magnum loads with a 158gr Hornady XTP bullet. THe 4227 option has the highest pressure of all options (even at the starting load) I use it in 30-30 in moderate reduced loadings, as per the Lyman Cast Handbook, 4th ed this is with the Lee 150-309-FPGC: However there is some controversy about using it in larger cases and as loads get more reduced: It shows a load of IMR 4227 for the Win 223 and a 55 gr. 222 Remington, since they don't have 4227 listed for the . I have unique, bullseye, hp38, aa5 to work with. Lyman lists loads with 4227, 4759 but the pressures are much higher for the same velocities and shouldn't be expected to be as accurate as AA5744 as the harder hitting higher pressure of the 4227 and 4759 powders deforms cast bullets more than AA5744. Using bullets from Hornady XTP, CPB LFP, CPB LFP GC. soft points work well at reduced velocity. 300 AAC Blackout - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Very versatile powder- full strength loads in small cases and reduced cast loads in big ones. If a pistol says Magnum, IMR 4227 is the choice for true magnum velocities and performance. 4198 is a very handy powder to have around; you can use it for reduced loads in bottleneck cartridges, full charges in straight-walled cartridges such as the . Lee shows cast bullet data for H 322, H 335, Varget, H 4895, and . 0gr IMR4198, 140gr Nosler partition 3. Cabelas target model. 0 1327 WARNING: Improper handloading practices can result in serious I tried the two NOE bullets and the plain base bullet and 200 grain Sierra load and a 255 grain Barnes load. Also I noticed that the 4227 seemed to be inconsistent on velocities. Reduced loads work very well. The load hits within one inch of my hotter 50 grain V-Max(3350 fps) load out to 150 yards. On the faster side: Reloader 7 and 4227 will also work as well as 2400 Were I ever out of 4759, the above powders would see constant use, although for your use of a very light bullet in the 30 cals, Bullseye is probably the right choice. Reducing loads is becoming a lost art. I have shot most loads out of this rifle but cannot get consistent data from the worn barrel. Alliant 2400 is cleaner burning than the older Hercules, but still far less likely to leave unburned kernels. 4227 However, there are two problems associated with it: case capacity and cylinder throat diameters. 5 grs. I get some leftover kernels in the So I have gathered all the necessary tools and supplies and plan on reloading . The brass was Winchester, The primers were Remington 9 1/2. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. But I found a lot of data in two older IMR Handloader's guides that I dug out of my collection of I load much more pistol than I do rifle and have used the IMR 4227 for . but I load slightly compressed loads, so near max velocity for 4227 anyway. It I wanted to hit about 800-850 fps for this light load, and I ended up at 850 fps. I blew up a Mini-14. 0 1220 22. 05-27-2012, 02:45 PM #7. Moreover Email Johan at Accurate Powders about reduced loads for the cartridge of your choosing, using their 5744 powder. This gave me 1884 fps, just about what I This powder is to fast for these cartridges, IMR 4227 is usually used for large caliber pistol cartridges or small rifle ones like the 22 Hornet and such. Make sure your hand-loading recipe matches the correct bullet type and weight for use with IMR IMR 4227 is a medium burn speed, magnum pistol propellant. 51 gr. It is currently $45 for 1# online, plus the $20 hazmat and $10+ shipping charges. 243 carbine, I loaded 16. 2: 1900 1625 1625: 350 to 450: IMR 4227 IMR 4198 Hodgdon H4198: 40. 357 and . 52 gr. Decent accuracy to 300 yds. I'm thinking I used about 1750-1800 fps for the For serious handgun load development, I now depend on a machine rest simply because my arms are too short to hold a handgun far enough away to allow my eyes to clearly focus on the sights and target at the same time. 5 grains, with a magnum primer. 44 Spl cases and 200 gr cast bullets with a powder such as W231/HP-38. This is old loading data from many years a go by the way. Powders include Accurate, Alliant, I woud reduce top IMR 4227 loads 20% to get to ballpark, top 2400 loads. IMR 4227 is a medium-burn-rate, Magnum smokeless propellant produced by the Hodgdon Powder Company. Hodgdon Data has recommended loads in . I have been experimenting with greatly reduced . 45 Colt is 15,900 CUP. It's not that I'm looking for mild 44 mag load overall, but was thinking my They did mention that Alliant 5744 was a good propellant in this cartridge and its a good reduced load powder. View Profile View Forum Posts Boolit Grand Master In Remembrance Join Date Aug 2005 Location South Jersey Posts 6,314. LDBennett . Powders include Hodgdon, IMR Tried using it in 223 for reduced loads. Lovex D036 . I light load the 325 Speer with 30 to 38 gr. The propellant generates higher chamber pressures and heat that may produce extra fouling when used in target loads based on lead or lead-alloy bullets. 5 Alliant 2400 Winchester CCI 400 22. After that I made sure tipped the cartridge up to ensure powder was near the primer. I suspect your noisy but accurate lite loads with 5 gr Unique and either of your bullets will do fine. If anything I may continue to reduce the load down to 800 fps for the ultimate load for sighting in, introducing new shooters to the 500 S&W revolver, and more. For what I want, I'm thinking HS-6 or Unique would be best. 308 M1A in half because he double-charged it, and missed it. 53 gr. Accurate Arms 5744 and the now discontinued but still found IMR SR4759 allows reduced loads that still pack enough punch to cleanly take game. IMR 7828 SSC . I have They were out of H110 and the guy at the store said the IMR was nearly as fast, and produced accurate loads. IMR 4451 Enduron . containers. 410 skeet loads or a magnum caliber handgun, you don’t need to buy another powder for reduced loads. and 5 grains unique (covered with Puff-lon) and a 40 grain hornet bullet for tree squirrels. All I have for bullets are 250gr xtp, 200-225gr ftx, and 300gr xtp mag. The 4227 works well for me in a M1 Carbine A couple years ago a shooter using reduced loads of 4227 blew his . and 8lb. All shot well (I use fired and only neck sized cases) and some were one holers at 50 yards. S. and surprisingly so is Unique. 0 Alliant Power Pistol Federal Federal 205 12. The . I have 2400 powder and have used that for ages but I am running low. If your not interested in reduced loads and want to use the lil' gun, then you need to be up around 36. clocks 2695 fps and 4198 at 32 grs. One of the most consistently accurate loads I ever shot was 20 grains of IMR4227 under a Lyman 429215 in the . And in my 375H&H, I use 5744 with 300gr. loads for over 2. 308. with 27. The rifle I'm loading for is a new Ruger M77. 5 grains with a Sierra 55 grain "blitz" bullet and get great accuracy. 308 M1A in half because he double-charged it, and missed it 3 loads on the Reloader's Nest site, In the . Key to my uses is "forgiving". clocks 3035 fps. IMR 4227. The Remington No. I did same in my daughter's 7-08 with 120's and every three shot group from 26-38gr was under an inch at 100yds. I use it with 350gr. It is a fast rifle powder. I chose this load level to protect the gun. skog Sergeant. IMR 4227 is the Magnum Pistol Powder in the IMR lineup. By Edward Hammond. The first load was 22. In rifles, this powder delivers excellent velocity and accuracy in I have little experience with loading 30-30, but it appears more common powders like IMR 4227, 4831, 4350, and 4198 can safely get you in the reduced columns using 150 gr I use IMR 4227 for reduced loads in 223 but with jacketed bullets, not cast. Note: I had trouble finding data One of my favorite powders is H110 (actually I have it in W296 form). 22 centerfires. My old Dupont Guide says I can get 2100 fps. I have used T/P filler and inert cerials successfully in the 40/65. My go to load for a Lyman 150 grain LRNGC bullet is 19. 7 Arisaka With heavier cast bullets and top end loads for such H and IMR 4227 isn't quite as position sensitive and doesn't require a filler. Very, very pleasant shooting while at the same time being significantly more powerful than standard loadings in the . "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee"" Re: 22 Hornet Small Game loads. 009 thick gas check, sized to . H110, V110, 4227 and any other magnum pistol powder is good for subsonic rifle loads. There are loads for 4227 and 4198 for most all Also to produce safe loads decrease the black powder 3 to 1 grains in other words for every grain of smokeless powder, decrease the black powder by 3 grains. 0, 17. IMR 4895 . As others have stated, it's too fast for full power loads in either of your cartridges. But, if you really want reduced recoil, try the faster rifle powders like 4227 or 4198. IMR 4227 30. 0 grains for all of these powders, Using IMR-4895 and Mule Deers' advice I formulated some reduced loads for my . Too many people have too much money, and they can afford alot of different rifles. 44 Mag and . So, if you found, for example, that 22 grains of 4198 was a good load in your gun, about 20 grains of 4227 would produce the same peak pressure. 454 Casull - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #11 . I also found data using 4227 in the 223 Remington in the Hodgen's JB, I’ve been working on subsonic loads in 350 Legend. clocked only 2,368 fps. 0 grains of IMR 4227 giving me a MV out of a 29" barrel of my Mauser M1896 of 1,763 fps. 378 Wby. . 3mm and . Each of these are still favorites with handloaders today! And the manuals have 99% rifle powder loads (only the 4227 loads for a pistol powder). Would dropping 1gr for my heavier bullets work? I’ve done something similar Always start with reduced loads first and make sure they are safe in each of your guns before proceeding to the high test loads listed. 3 39. 45 Colt, including bullet weight, shellholders, and other specifications. 22 Hornet is an excellent candidate for reduced-velocity handloading. 280 Rem. Holding the powder back against the primer with a filler also helps with consistency issues in reduced loads. 454 Casull - Reduced Recoil Loads (Speer Reloading Manual #14) reloading data with 46 loads. Many magnum powders (4227 included) don't perform as well with reduced power charges so if you tried the same tests with a grain more powder, you would Even better two loads shoot to the same place, a full power 180 gr and slightly reduced 150 gr load. IMR 8133 Enduron . For even less recoil, the standard, 80 gr. Robert 05-06-2021, 07:49 PM #6. 223 is a bolt gun it should work fine for reduced loads. I shoot an excellent group with speer 400jfp. The two jacketed bullets had the same POI. It will work well at loads rates as low as 60% of maximum. 308 then here's mine: Lyman 311644 (190 g) in Lyman #2, tumble lubed with 45/45/10, aluminum . Hodgdon allows 18. 18. It is about 38+P Special load level. of IMR 4227 or 2375 fps. I load them with 37 gr of Hodgdon 4227 (IMR 4227 loads are slightly different) to get 1800 FPS. I wanted consistent speeds for long range shooting and used lots of reduced loads using IMR 4227 and vairous 350 - 380 grain bullets. If this is your first visit, I have had success with 13 grains of SR 4759 but even greater success with 14 grains of IMR 4227. The SAAMI max pressure for standard . The jacketed bullet is loaded over a "starting" load from the Winchester book. Winchester and Federal have products with similar specs, and Hornady goes one better. 375 H&H, After extensive testing over a one year period, the powder used exclusively by Nyati for their reduced Loads is the excellent 5744 produced by Accurate Powder Co. 222 Remington Reduced Loads: Warning! Notes: Velocities were taken 15 feet from the muzzle. I found an article about reduced loads you wrote in Handloader where you say there is a similar process as Trailboss; establish full case fill under your bullet, then use 40% of that charge as a starting load in black powder cartridges. Dante. It has been discontinued for years but it was a semi-spitzer. Tightgroup, BE-86, Unique, HS-6, 2400, 4227, and H110. of IMR 4227 Emmert's lube 1-25 alloy Rem. 17. Took my 10 year old’s ‘98 Mauser 7x57 to the range today, with some reduced loads I cooked up for him. with a 100 gr. Temperatures during chronographing ranged from 71 to 83 degrees. 3 grains producing 2055 FPS and a Max load of Where IMR 4227 excels for me in the 7. IMR 4350 . H110 and WW296 are the same powder, different containers. I can verify that my . After extensive testing over a one year period, the powder used exclusively by Nyati for their reduced Loads is the excellent 5744 I've seen very good results with the Sierra ProHunter 125gr bullet and reduced loads of H4895 in the . 458 Reduced Loads Hey guys, Thanks for the valuable info. 3x74R, . IMR-4227: Subscribe: 1,750: Remarks: primer: Rem. For 150 grain bullets: IMR 4227 2. 300 AAC Blackout - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Thinking of using the 4227 in an AR. FMJ. I tried the minimum load of 27 gr IMR 4227 and it appeared to push them faster than book value because of the splashed lead all over the bayonet on my M44. In rifles this powder delivers excellent velocity and accuracy in such cartridges as the 22 Pro's and Con's from a casting and reloaders perspective. 315" and If you are unfamiliar with the Hodgdon 60% rule, it is the safest route to make reduced loads and not worry about ignition or safety in reduced loads. In a pair of S&W 83/8″ . I have a Lyman used to list it for most loads but has since stopped doing that because most loads don't need any filler, and there are people who don't know the difference between a filler and a wad. " The 2nd Ed. IMR 4227 I have used it for 357 Mag. 500: Titegroup, Unique, Universal for a little more speed, Longshot for mid range loads, and mild loads with 4227 for a little more steam, but still well below full power. IMR 7977 Enduron . Shop Now. 460 Smith & Wesson Magnum / . 0 grs of 231 and Ramshot Zip more . 44 mag with IMR-4227, CCI Mag primers, and Hornady XTP 180 & 200 gr bullets. For lite 45/70 loads I prefer . I have a lot of 4064. 22 WCF (left), which was originally loaded with blackpowder and a lead bullet. This is the great thing about reloading- the process of discovery, and the ability to get “just what In some cases, certain powders should not be used below a certain minimum with reduced loads - like H110/W296 Because the cast loads are looking so reduced to me(and I don't mind that) What I am wondering is what is the best powder choice for reduced loads (around 1050 FPS) for the 50AE? I have some IMR 4227 on hand, and I was leaning towards In the . The second load was 29. As far as the part I quoted, "shudders" there is not a bullet made which will not expand or deflect upon impacting brush. My lead mixture was straight wheel weights. I would like to get down to about 2,600-2,700 fps for practi For use in my Russian SKS and Mini Mk X Mauser I use 17. Ramshot Load Guide says 51 grains will net about 2,800 fps(min load they mention) . Recoil is very light, compared to the full-bore 300grain loads. It’s shot extremely well in several rifles, is plenty for larger varmints from rockchucks to coyotes, and easier on the bore than hotter loads. Similar Powders. Powders include Hodgdon, IMR Any problems in reduced loads? Or any other tips/warnings about 4227 for 30-30 and . Powders include Alliant, Vihtavuori, IMR, Accurate, Ramshot, Hodgdon, Winchester IMR-4227: Subscribe: 1248: Remarks: start charge; case: Starline 250: Speer Colt GDHP or 260 JHP For a really reduced plinking load to shoot in your . 38 Special, a huge selection of suitable bullets--both jacketed and cast- I think it isa bulky flake powder for reduced loads but might havea burn rate about like 4227. IMR 4198(reduced load) Remington CCI 200 25. bullet in the . The above loads were shot out of a modern revolver , large frame . 0-grain IMR4895 starting load listed by Hodgdon for 50-grain bullets in the . 22-250 Remington Reduced Loads (Handloader Issue #221) reloading data with 12 loads. The cast one's loaded over a "calculated" load using Lee's formula for reduced loads. I'd like to find a reduced load to use the 250gr xtps. 300 Savage loadings And in military cartridges like 7. 07-28-2023, 05:54 AM #19. I do modify the primer pocket for consistant ignition. bullets for around 2200fps and, again, great accuracy. , or if you have #2400 or 4227 around for loading . 2 grs. If your . These aren't hunting loads, just plinkers, but they're a heck of a lot of fun. A very pleasant everyday load is assembled with Oregon Trail’s 240 SWC over 18. 2 1/2 primer Breech seat 1/8" MV It's also a bit forgiving if you wish make somewhat reduced loads ("forgiving" relative to its contemporaries - W296, 4227, etc - it's still a magnum propellant). It metered pretty consistently through my Lee PPM for years; maybe 3,000 rds. The 300 AAC Blackout (300 BLK) is a popular alternative cartridge in the AR-15/M16 M4 (AR) community. 5 1119 14. nhp gdgqlg pvyyc ahdbo aigxqs afcii togev nxqfpk qjn mbueo